Hi Ed, Thanks for reminding about the SREF plumes below... Now that we know what verified for this week's NYC-LI snow event, attached are the SREF plumes for the QPF at LGA for each of the runs on the 19th (33-42h lead time), as well as the mean snowfall plumes... Not one member from the 19/03Z run had significant precip, and there was a significant d(SREF)/dt towards more snow in the mean, albeit lots of spread. It is disturbing that there was a 0% chance of significant snow at 42-h lead time in the SREF, and it appears that all models (at least US models -- GEFS and NAM) had a low probability of snow for (00-12Z on 19th), which transitioned high probability of heavy snow by 18-00Z on the 20th as the simulated storm became more intense and closer to the coast... This common issue among models suggests that resolution/physics were not the big story, but rather some very important piece of initial condition info upstream (ensemble sensi suggests western Canada may be one place to look...). This case will likely not make the NWP "drop-out" list as defined by large-scale metrics, but it is just as interesting... The only good news is that because the NYC area had a major snowstorm earlier in the month, most people took the change in forecast in stride (more acclimated to the snow). If this week's storm was the first big snow of the season, the rapid change in the short-term forecast may have caused more of a stir... -Brian